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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 5, 2012 7:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Haight

There's nothing you can hold for very long ...

What's it like? I'm assuming lots of chi-chi restaurants, pricey pretty Victorians, and nostalgia shops selling a fantasy 60s.

Part of what always appealed to me about the "counterculture" was the earthy, do-it-yourself, human level, accessable imperfection. It's the antithesis of moneyed elite and the antithesis of mass production. I think/hope that's all still around, in different places and in a different way (look at the interest in roots music) ... but yeah, in recent years it seems that the world has really gone to being all about money and mass culture.

Of course, in the 60s, it probably felt much the same way. Different, but the same.

"One word: Plastics."

Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky,
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And the people in the houses
All went to the university,
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,
And there's doctors and lawyers,
And business executives,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry,
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school,
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university,
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same.

And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

- Little Boxes, 1962


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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Sep 6, 2012 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Haight

Simply by becoming "The Haight" that area was fundamentally transformed and can never again be what it was. It happens all over the place.

New ones coming as the old ones go
Everything's moving here, but much too slow now
A little bit quicker and we might have time
To say "How do you do?" before we're left behind


Go on home, your mama's calling you.


This post was modified by snow_and_rain on 2012-09-06 15:46:02

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Sep 5, 2012 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Haight

Except they're BIG BOXES made of ticky tacky.

Yes, they're selling nostalgia. It's just not pretty. I did catch some great coffee there though.

First time I had a chance to get to know the area was with Veblen. He and I walked up the hill to Hippie Hill, but it was too dark by then to go in. The reason was that we were there on Jerry's Birthday 2011. There was nobody who even gave a damn. So we went to the Toronado, had a lot of fun, talked the Dead til we were blue in the face, and then left.

Great experience, and a great guy. Thankful for the list in getting me in touch with him.

Sad about the Haight though.

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Poster: snori Date: Sep 6, 2012 5:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Haight

'Darn the wheel of the world! Why must it continually turn over? Where is the reverse gear?' Jack London.

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Poster: craven714 Date: Sep 6, 2012 7:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Haight

HA! Little Boxes is my ring tone! ('weeds' of course)
but I get it...
Thats why all the 'dead' folks left for other places back
in the late 60's anyway.


THX staggerleib for the sound cloud stuff. You already
know that you have increadible tatse :)

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Sep 6, 2012 6:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Haight

Thanks, Craven. Any time I can help on the IT front, I will. It's sort of what I do.